Ram Dass | Outgrowing Duality [Pt. 2]

This second part deepens the exploration of non-dual awareness through sound, art, daily life, and the creative act. It presents music, ritual, and attention as precise technologies of consciousness, designed to reorganize perception and dissolve separation. Awakening is framed as an embodied, continuous process rather than a transcendent escape.

• Sound and music as auditory mandalas that recalibrate consciousness
• Art and ritual as exact, non-accidental structures
• Every act as a consecrated act when witnessed clearly
• The witness as a bridge between duality and non-duality
• Life itself as the primary spiritual practice

• Certain musical structures are consciously designed to work with specific states of awareness
• Mandalas, visual or auditory, function by drawing attention inward to resolve karmic distortion
• Pure art operates mathematically and lawfully across levels of consciousness
• Awakening is not separate from ordinary life but revealed through it
• The witness matures from a mental observer into impersonal awareness

The talk presents sound, music, and art as intentional technologies rather than aesthetic byproducts. Indian ragas, mandalas, mantra, and ritual are described as precise tools engineered to align consciousness with natural laws.

A central theme is that nothing is outside the path. Noise, interruption, desire, fatigue, and beauty all serve the same function: waking awareness when met without resistance. The creative act expands beyond painting or music into the way one lives, speaks, eats, loves, and responds.

The witness is introduced as a stabilizing function that allows continuous awareness throughout daily activity. Over time, this witness dissolves into a larger, impersonal awareness that transcends time and space.

Power, psychic abilities, and astral experiences are addressed as side effects rather than goals. The talk repeatedly emphasizes that attempting to “do good” from within duality generates more karma. Liberation arises through alignment with what is required in the moment, free from personal will.

Non-duality is lived, not attained. When attention becomes steady, every experience reveals itself as instruction. The world requires no correction. Only the relinquishing of attachment to personal views. What remains is compassion, clarity, and participation in life without illusion of control.

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[Music] be here [Music] now see the Indian structure the Indian musical structure has been designed for great deals of Consciousness very out front that is there are Rags or five note relationships that are designed by conscious beings to be played either at morning noon or evening on specific Seasons during the rainy season during certain periods of the year when you're in certain moods and then the music is designed to work with your Consciousness at that level all done perfectly consciously the


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way it's designed it's the auditory part of what a Mandela is a visual form the Mandela used by the Tibetans for example if you go to a Tibetan physician and you have something wrong with you either in mind or body he is very likely often to give you a Mandela to work with and the center of that Mandela what you do with a Manda is you sit down and focus on the entire it's a set of circles within squares and then with certain Gates out at the opening you sit down and you make your focal feel the


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entire Mandela and then slowly it draws you in and in through all the gates and all the circles and then you come to the center and you go through the center and out and what you experience when you go through the center Center is the working out of the karma that created the problem that you came to the doctor for right in other words that Mandola gets you straight in the way you were crooked right he lays he's prescribing a Mandola for you well now these are the same things in sound the mandelas of sound


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[Music] [Applause] [Music] on oh [Music] the [Music] my [Music] the [Music] the [Music] the e [Music] [Music] oh [Music] [Applause] [Music] oh l [Music] a [Music] I [Music] the [Music] a [Music] l [Music] oh [Music] the [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] he yeah [Music] I I am sure now that I was then too young to understand it all and that I only felt it it was the pictures I remembered and the words that went with them but nothing I have ever seen with my eyes was so clear and bright as what my vision showed


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me and no words that I have ever heard with my ears were like the words I heard I did not have to remember these things they have remembered themselves all these years it was As I Grew Older that the meanings came clearer and clearer out of the pictures and the words and even now I know that more was shown to me than I can tell that is Black Elk of the ogalala suo [Applause] speak and in relation to our recent exercise in real art there is nothing accidental it is mathematics everything in it can be


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calculated everything can be known beforehand the artist knows and understands what he wants to convey the art will produce different Impressions on people of different levels [Music] [Applause] each of us is a conscious artist and the lives we live become the the manifestations of our understanding of the laws of nature pure art is in harmony at every level as above so below that not just the painting you paint or the song you sing but the life you live be becomes a statement of the Eternal varities all the


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time so the creative act turns out to be every act all the time every act becomes a consecrated act Every Act is designed to wake you up when you're deep in the music and the baby cries who is the baby what is that somebody that's come to wake us up that is God's sound as much as that's God's sound as much as this is God's sound you got to keep stretching see you got to keep stretching and that too and that too wow and that too it's not all Divine it's certainly a


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weird situation it's all Divine but you but that but it but him be quiet on becoming enlightened so that I can be you it be quiet that's what we like to say most of the time when you live in a city you like to say would you co it you know City CU I really like to get on with it but the only cooling that ever can happen is the cooling in your own head C just doing its thing it's your ter for the city that's where it's [Applause] at so everybody you see is somebody you're serving cuz they're all


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God well that's a pure idealistic statement true for anybody that doesn't have total faith for me for example I'm a beginner in the temple there are nine people and I walk nine and I'm grooved to even carry the water for the team these young SOS but besides the meditations you do now and again there is also techniques you use to just keep conscious all day long all the time whatever you're doing one of them is the witness it's that place in your mind where you see how it all is you see


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Hunger you see fatigue you see desire you see all the world's games you see your own games your body's games your heart's games your minds games you watch it all with great compassion with the unbearable compassion of Buddha just yeah right that's how it all is man isn't S so exquisitely articulated you know that thing I said from CS Lewis from paralandra you don't see the plan because it's all plan but when you keep jumping levels you keep seeing the plan at another


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level and then you realize As Above So Below as below so above so you realize you seeing your own process when you study yourselves you're seeing the whole social microp planetary it's just same levels all the way up in wisdom exists everywhere all lawfully related if you could become one with that piece of music by B you would then have all the wisdom that that music holds about Rhythm The rhythms of the universe about the octave and the relationships of energy at different frequencies of vibration you'd know it


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all just with that one piece of music turns out that wherever you are at any moment is the next message the minute you decide all there are a messages come home is there any message no no message that's a message can you conceive of anything that isn't a message that will help you become enlightened if you decided to become enlightened I can't I can't think of anything anything in form because anything I could conceive of is obviously the manifestation of my own desires so it's showing me where I'm not


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because it's showing me my desires the demons are only demons you create at every level anybody you're ever afraid of is somebody you created in your head and they will exist in that form as long as you feel that way [Music] see to understand the da you have to see the whole game from outside of time and space to understand this plane of nature you have to be outside of this plane of Nature and the thing about this plane at which we are identified with bodies and personalities is that we're in time and


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space and only when you can stand outside of time and space which means stand outside of your own rational mind can you see your own predicament thoroughly and so you get to the point where you use everything around you to help you get free of time and space in order to do what you do and in the meantime you do what you do that's a straight way of saying it in the meantime you do what you do it's groovy to build into your life getting your body straight with right you know with swick Foods as opposed to


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rasic or tamasic food groovy to get your body straight with ha yoga or uh Tai Chi or something like that screwy to get your mind straight with one-pointed exercises like meditations on your breath or on a candle flame or music meditations or sexual meditations I keep bring or this or this or meditations on eating or meditations on or meditations on showering or meditations on on on on until you see it's all a meditation it's all a meditation because the witness never goes away and first there's a little witness


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in us the guy inside that's watching and he's rational and he's just sitting around watching it all but he's only the guy on this side of the doorway on the other side of the doorway is the Eternal witness the Big W it's Buddha and Christ it's all a team just sitting here all sitting here right here now hi Doug we're all here everybody here sure and that us that is that us is looking at all of this all of this or that we are looking at that that that that that that and saying yes and that


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too and we've seen it for thousands of incarnation and there's no place to go and there's no rush CU it's all happened already see when you start to live in the space of four dimension I that is when you see time in the same way as you see width and length and depth then you sit in a [Music] place there is only one of us and from here where there is one of us we are wisdom though we do not know [Music] it's the wisdom of Buddha it's the love of Christ compassion of the Buddha it's the laws of


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Moses it's all the aspects of the mahat Atman the one Consciousness the godhead that from which all the rest is manifest in each of us is the Divine spark and to stay in it all day all the time we use the witness with our rational minds and then we use Mantra the Mantra I am a point of sacrificial fire held within the fiery will of God try focusing on your aeny your sixth chakra and doing that one for about a week I am a point of sacrificial fire held within the fiery will of God if that one's too


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scary that's a real power MCH that's six chakra MCH you do the ad the one we did before all evil bishes from the universe for him who keeps the sun in his heart that's the fourth chakra Mantra the heart and you find a mantra that feels at home for you home is a mantra Rah is a mantra [Music] [Music] Lord Jesus Son of God have mercy on me Lord Jesus Son of God have mercy Lord Jesus Son of God have mercy that's a mantra [Music] me me me me [Music] [Music] that's a [Music] mantra so that Mantra is going right


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inside you right in your heart all day long and right from that place you're seeing it all this this this this all the PLS and levels and through it all is um [Applause] [Applause] there's talking there's listening there's love making there's eating there's driving there's stopping there's fatigue there's hunger there's dying and birth trees and snow and east and west and Nations and religions and all my so General mon just take you in and in and in and [Applause]


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in until you're right here now always inasia austerity tapasia straightening by fire tapasia straightening by fire every time you meet another demon anytime you meet another attachment another desire here it is straightened by fire every time you feel the desire for or or up or up or up or [Applause] up till finally you're just in a bed of flames all the time because you dig you want to get straight so much it's not you're not want to sit around wanting you're just directed more


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and more towards getting purified and in the process you just realize you just got to burn out all the impurities and it's not masochistic it's just High ecstasy it's a fire of ecstasy and the fiercer it is the better wow man they're sending Fierce demons these [Applause] days so you get to the point in your astral travels where every thought you have is Manifest in form and you begin to see how it works unless you have a desire it happens and then you really get scared because you see how you create your own


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Karma and then you see these mountains of karma you producing every day holy wow I got to get rid of all that too I mean you're creating lifetimes for yourself just by the thousands and when that horror has fully seeped into all your cells then you find the only actions you can perform are actions which don't create new Karma that is actions which are in harmony with what is required at the moment and don't come out of any my will they're all thy will not my but thy will oh Lord because


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if you're doing thy will there's no new Karma created that's that's his problem from the dualistic point of view and it's our problem or it's my problem from the non-dist point it's just Karma living out it's just a set of circumstances happening until it done [Applause] happening I think when people say to me well if everybody got enlightened what would happen to all this well nobody would be creating it I mean you only need it as long as you need it this is the toddler's


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playroom but pretty soon everybody gets to a point well that's a question there are after all they always toddlers they're always new babies and they're always being born into the illusion and see finally when you get conscious enough you don't get born again and when everybody gets that point then there's no babies to be had anymore and every baby that's born is somebody coming around [Music] again and most of us haven't yet come into the being we were last time around and some of you must feel that


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very strongly I certainly did quite often that I'm still getting back and my gur brother used to say to me last time we'd be in some place like in a traffic situation he'd say last time I died here or once I once I got stopped right here wow when you can see how it all is with the dispassion of Buddha the dispassion of Christ not Jesus but Christ but this passion of he who says now it's completed this passion of he who says well tomorrow is the big day you can see your own drama with that


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dispassion then the understanding of how it all is overwhelms your every feeling and there is just such total compassion for how it is including of course and most intimately your own predicament when you have sufficient compassion about yourself then you got compassion for the rest of it if you can't stop being compassionate for them right that's obviously a hype that's just another game of compassion when you say oh wow look at that oh man at every level of beauty ugly is it beauty is it ugly is it hard


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is it Exquisite is it it's everything obviously and you look at every time you trip and fall any time you trip and fall at first whenever I fell back into sin I used to weep and rage against myself and against God for having suffered it afterwards it was as much as I could dare asked why hast thou rolled me again in the mud oh my playfellow then even that came to my mind to seem too bold and presumptuous I could only get up in silence look at him out of the corner of my eye and clean myself


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that's Shri arinda that's the tredic you see Christ is standing here right here he's on this shoulder and Buddha is on this shoulder and you're going along saying I think I'll eat that you know I think oh I want that oh you know and you say and Buddha standing there saying to Christ dig that [Laughter] what else are they going to feel but compassion you know I mean anything else is just getting sucked into the trip one of them doesn't say the other I've got to stop that when for who what creating forms


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again e Jesus come on now you know where it's [Laughter] at and the witness and the Mantra and the candle flame and our eyes and the Heart of Jesus and the guru's body are all exactly the same thing those are just a whole set of names for the same thing your HD arm your spiritual heart same place all the same place you can go at it any way you want but you get to the same place see when you're hang out with a candle flame if you can do it quiet and calm enough and all the thoughts go by then


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you will notice one day that there is no you noticing one day and you will note that there you will come down to realize that just a moment ago there was only the candle flame and you will have performed what's called samyama which is the business of it's the same thing as astral travel in a way you will have moved your Consciousness you will have left this one behind and gone and become the candle see that's a nice Asal trip you can start to go from here and be there and you can get really groovy at it as


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some saints do in India and they give Dar in two places so that tonight afterwards you go home and you pick up the phone and it's talk to somebody Los Angeles and they say you know I heard Ronda tonight and you say well now you couldn't have heard I who uh cuz Ronda just manifested in a number of form Krishna when he danced with the gopies on the banks of the river in the Mad Love orgy of worship on the nights of the full moon he made himself into 16,000 forms to make it with every gopy


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just the way she dreamed most it's the way she wanted it you're right she is right yeah wow [Laughter] simultaneously I mean if you want it all you got to give it up at all I give it up at [Laughter] all but that's what it all starts out that's all little that's only 16,000 it's all the cells in the universe everything be making love with all form them all the time just the candle flame and then there's just the wherever you happen to be there's just somebody else's mind or there's some other place


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or two places or four places or 16,000 places or 32,000 it's like a chain letter how fast does it get infinite until pretty soon you're everything then you finished cuz when you say I you are referring to all form that's possibly conceivable in other words there's no longer a you there's only I you've gone out and out and out you've expanded the eye and the eye and eye until it's everything by seeing I'm this now I'm this now I'm this that's all the


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astral planes you see all the astral Plaines of you want to be God of the wind you want to be the Lord in heaven how about the Archangel Gabriel who would you like to be you want to be a Hanuman be The Boatman you can do it all if you've read the autobiography of the yogi by yoganand you get this delicious description of Astral Plains and you create mango trees with peaches on them and then make them disappear with your thoughts and you turn into whoever you want to be all the time you can dress


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yourself whatever body you want just like your dreams every night you're doing that all the time doing it right now see doing it right now I don't know whether I told you this but one night I I had taken a lot of acid and I was going to appear on a show David susine or something and I was at an apartment in New York and a chick was sketching faces on the wall that I describe this in this room and she had different faces on the wall and she asked if she could do my face and I well groovy sure so I stood


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there and I thought well who Am I who she sketching so I thought well I'm a young man looking into the future so she sketched and sketched and sketched and after about six minutes I thought wow I'm really too old and wise for that role I guess I'm just an old wise man and I didn't change anything except I just thoughted to be an old wise man and she erased the whole thing and she res sketched the I said well I'm obviously everything I started think about chrishan and I thought wow this is a gopy and I'm her


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lover you know and she this is an act we're doing a thing together you know and she erased the whole thing again and she you know she did it she finally said I can't do it your face is just like rubber it's just like putty what I'm saying is you manifesting your trip right now in your body and your you know the way your muscles are in your face the whole business it's all just statement it's all it's so redundant so done everything about you keeps saying the same thing and the The Secret of digging your


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own karma is to stand back and read your own message it's like you got a book and you're at page 24 and you're in the script on page 24 then she came down the stairway her negl floating behind her see and you're walking down the stairway your negl floating behind you you're also reading a book about it and then she walked down the stairway her neglige floating behind her and you can turn to the next page and see what happened that when she got to the bottom of the stairs H want to know the Future come to the


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astral Plaines vacation in the astral planes this year but so what mean so what what are you going to do about it I'll do something about it I me if I could read the future I'd do something about it I went sat in the temple in India and I I once sat in the temple in India and I I kept reading these books about all the powers you get so I thought ruy what do I do with all these Powers well I'm doing Rising falling Rising falling one of the directions that took about 3 days you know was what


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do I do with all the powers I'm collecting so I thought well if I can put myself in anybody's head I'll go into Ma's head and I'll go into Lynden Johnson's head at the time and I'll go into the United Nations head and we'll all become one Consciousness and we'll love will manifest as a statement of love and it'll be very easy and then I thought well what about that problem well what about that problem well what about that problem and before I realized that I had created


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such a nightmare in the world because I was trying to do it all from a horizontal level I wasn't really outside it I was still sort of in the middle of it trying to do right and anybody that tries to do right horizontally without having a very good understanding of how it all is is creating new Karma as fast as they're finishing with the old and usually doing the opposite of what they thought they would do great that the quote from Mount analog is that the familiar one in Mount analog story of a group of people that


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find an island which has a mountain higher than any known Mountain it's a metaphor about a journey into Consciousness and you can only see the the the island when you're standing on the west looking Eastward at sunet or sun r at a certain time when the planets are in a certain configuration nobody's ever found this place because the magnetic field forces take you around it all the time these guys mathematically computed its existence and they go out they find [Applause] it by our calculations thinking of


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Nothing Else by our desires abandoning all other hopes by our efforts renouncing all bodily Comfort we managed to gain entry into this new [Music] world so it seemed to us but if we were able to approach Mount analog it was because the invisible Gates of that invisible country were opened To Us by those who guard them the cough crowing in the Milky Dawn thinks that its call raises the Sun the child howling in a closed room thinks that its cry opens the door but son and mother follow courses set by their own


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beings those who see us even though we cannot see them open the the door in answer to our pile calculations our unsteady desires and our awkward efforts with a generous welcome the way you can remember that you're reading a book of your own drama is remember there somebody else that's reading it and when you start to hang out with somebody else who's reading it you're always in the position of reading the book and you keep reading the book till you understand the book so well that you


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understand that you are the writer of the book then you are God Consciousness you are the author of the entire book that's how great it is that's what's in store that's the bird in the bush when you give up the bird and you don't give up anything in the outside world you chop your wood and you carry your water all you do is you give up your attachment to your own models of how you think it is just as the Chinese that Chinese man said just stop having views you don't have to do anything else


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just stop having views brush your teeth but you don't have a theory about it and the fewer theories you have the fewer views you have the fewer opinions you have gief says somebody complained to gief and said our friends starting to find us uninteresting the in the group G said it's only the beginning cuz what's to [Applause] say barrel and Life Magazine referred to it in the Woodstock festival as the fear that the young people are turning into a gener ation characterized by Bine passivity because you can't tell a


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tamasic man from a sawick man see you can't see somebody that's being inert Like a Stone from somebody who is being consciously silent unless you're a swig man cuz if you have tamasia in you all you'll is tamasia if you have rajas all you'll see is rajas my father's a very rajasic guy and all he can see is rasic you just call him and say hello and say how you doing what are you doing these days where are you traveling what's happening that's all rasic stuff say I'm not doing


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anything and then the Japanese thing is well what nothing is it you're not you're doing you're not doing you know and the answer to that one is even the sages know not who's you only see your own desires so when you're living like Paul stood at the door here one night and he came back he says this is the biggest concentration of angels and Saints I've ever seen gathered anywhere and I Doug that was true but there are more beings here that already are consciously living on other


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planes and know they're angels and Saints and they're just finishing off stuff you know cooling it all out getting it all straight you got to honor your body cuz the body is the temple in which the work is done can't forget it you wouldn't be here if you could forget it when the time comes to forget it you'll forget it like Raman like ramak Krishna he gets into the fifth chakra and he doesn't see anything that's what mayab Baba used to go down go around washing the mass the God


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intoxicants you know they were just so Stone out they just ah they were in the Oneness all the time and Raman Mahari was there for about 600 9 months and in fact on and on for about 6 years and mayab Baba was there when he was sick for about 9 months and almost all of the saints that make it in this lifetime that finish their karma in this lifetime go through a period getting it all together Buddha did it in 49 days or you know some such time thing where he hung out in the void he merged into the void until that


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had been and then he saw that even attachment to the void is attachment and then you do the Boda SATA thing you just chop wood and carry water and you honor the whole business because it's only when you honor it that you can get free of attachment to it see it was Jesus going off into the desert for 40 days Christ didn't have to go into the desert for 40 days Christ is the desert and he's the 40 days that's absurd where's he going to go you know and when the devil talks to him who's the devil the devil's only


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Christ you got to watch out for these subtle dualities the subtle polarization trips they're very very seductive because they're very high very very high yin and yang very high very high cuz that's the beginning of the Forum and that's the place that you can still hand hang out and there's somebody to hang out one step more nobody hang out where is everybody where everybody go we're all here oh I couldn't see anybody including myself and then it's all [Applause] over going to end with a poem that I


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recited before that I just love so I can't ever stop reciting [Applause] and then we're going to chant [Applause] Rong Michael laer the guitar and Kenny on the deler and everybody on everything your Celestial voices it's all starting to get very beautiful all starting to get really beautiful if you if we can just let it happen if we don't sit around and say can't be real I mean it all couldn't be this good I mean there must be a fly in the O somewhere you don't expect me to fall


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into that well I better watch it cuz you know there but if we can just let ourselves be beautiful that's what spreads as May Baba said it's like love it just keeps spreading just outward one beautiful being and then the person next to him starts to dig how beautiful he is and then the person next to him starts to dig how beautiful she [Applause] is change the world change yourself you live in a Divine world the world is divine that's the power statement of the S you know that's the name of the game that's


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better than Ma's rules of Revolution that's the rule of evolution the rule of evolution is the first commandment Thou shalt take no other God before me you should just keep in the spirit live in the place where it is God where it's that beautiful and if you do the first commandment all the rest of it works and if you don't the whole thing is absurd it's cosmically poignant this poem is from a 16th century Norman crucifix he's passed on to me by bwan Das the guru brother in


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India we found it in Ireland I guess [Applause] I am the great son but you do not see me I am your a husband and you turn away I am the captive but you do not free me I am the captain you will not obey I am the truth but you will not believe me I am that City where you will not stay I am your wife your child but you will leave me I am that God to to whom you will not pray I am your counsel but you do not hear me I am your lover whom you will betray I am the Victor but you do not cheer me I am the holy


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01:06:32 - 01:11:20
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01:09:15 - 01:13:02
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