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[Music] hello amazing ones welcome to another Romos Here and Now episode I'm Jackie der brinsa your host and you each of you are a part of this worldwide community of people who have been touched by Romos and some way shape or form or you're about to be which is perfect because this whole episode or most of it is about the phenomenon of time so it's episode 239 and it's called the moment is all there is so to give you a little bit of background this episode was taken from a study group on Aging that ramdoss was
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hosting in 1995 which is two years before his stroke and he was still working on that book that he was writing that he was workshopping in this episode so for most of this lecture as I mentioned he's talking about the phenomenon of time and I think for much of it we'll be able to relate because I'm sure we've all had those moments where we felt like there wasn't enough time we felt rushed and overwhelmed like there wasn't even space to take a deep breath and ironically that's how I have felt this week maybe
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you have too but for others or at other times in our lives maybe during the pandemic maybe it felt like the opposite maybe it felt like all we had was time and that great void of unending time to fill can also feel equally as overwhelming and so what is one to do that's what ramdas is talking about throughout this episode and it reminds me um of this idea this um goddess in uh the Hindu panon her name is kie and they say that she's is the Devourer of time she's also the Creator and the destroyer and they
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say that she will cut off your head to save your life and in this context it sort of is like she will destroy the part of you that is caught in linear time the part who can't quite see the whole of things can't quite get quiet enough and so rhos is like sort of breaking this down in this talk and he doesn't use these words but it reminds me again of this these Greek concepts of uh chyos and Kronos time uh the time of the mystics that deep time that's sort of measured in epochs and then the time
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of clocks and watches and phases of the moon and how we move from one to the other and how one helps free ourselves from being in that clock time from being time bound he has this great quote that I'm gonna share I try not to share too much of what he's about to say but this quote is so great he says stop sacrificing the present for the future or the past depending on what stage of life you're in anyway it's a really juicy talk it's one of those lectures where after your Consciousness at least
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mine felt like it shifted a little bit and those are the talks I always love most um so in this conversation time uh I have actually had several conversations lately with people in the field of death and dying in fact this Sunday I'm having one on our women's s song with um Dr Aditi seti who is the founder of the center for conscious living and dying if you want to be a part of that or any of our different various Affinity or general meetups uh go to
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but last week I had a conversation a live stream conversation with Frank ostaseski who's a leader in the field of death and dying encourage you to rewatch that one you can find that at
ros.org stream Das replays and in my discussion with Frank uh we talked a lot about presence about how the best way to slow down time to feel like there is enough of it is to get into the here and now to fall into that Timeless moment where peace and Stillness exists within the movement and Chaos of it all and
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there's a lot of research on how the brain works and how it's either novelty um novelty or presence that slows down and elongates our experience of time which is a really helpful reminder for me this week maybe for you as well this idea that maybe time can bend maybe it's not so linear after all and I wonder how that might change our lives if we were to realize there was enough time which might be our topic question at the next Soul pod Meetup which is where we get together and talk about
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study the time as it exists within this here you have present and you have past and you have future and you experience it as linear chronological time he that's one kind of time you work with all the time the clock the watch grenwich meantime Etc and so you're in a a chronological time that is moving this way and you remember the past and you plan for the future the soul uh now within that world within that world of time that's the one you and I live in most of the time we uh we experience um like as we get older
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the time is moving faster and that happens because the percentage of your life a year now when you were one year old that was half your life between one and two here a year is a very small it's 160th or 150th or 17th of your life and so it's a much smaller unit comparatively you've got all that rest of it so it goes seems to go very quickly that's one component of why it goes faster there are a lot of other cellular components about why you experience it going faster but it's also
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because of uh the uh attenuated nature of the future which we'll talk about in a minute uh so for some people they're experiencing time going faster and because they're involved with things they're experience and this culture their experiences never enough time time there's too little time for everything they want to do so they feel rushed all the time in relation to time but for somebody who is what we euphemistically call a Shu in whatever that means it's an interesting one for somebody that isn't
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very mobile and doesn't have a lot of stimulation time hangs heavy on their hands and they're dealing with the issue of boredom and that's all of us at some time or other too so we're looking at not enough time and too much time and these are both psychological experiences within this domain of ego and um now that business is because we have the Japanese stock market so business goes on around the clock there's no more blue laws in Massachusetts so there's movies on Sunday everything the mall is
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open all Sunday it's big business you can feel that we're going into to a thing in which uh the nature of time is changing uh for example keeping the Sabbath because in in the Jewish religion the uh the Sabbath is a day in which time stops in which it's like the seventh day it rested it's rested it's the time the relationship to the of the Sabbath the other six days entirely different way of thinking about time but a lot of that has gotten of course lost or at least the meaning of it's
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gotten lost and now we're dealing with a lot of really strange things of time all still within this ego we're dealing with things like um light ears and nanc I mean just think of that think of how fast light travels in a second and then think of when you say something is a light light year away means how a year how long it takes how far for light to travel in one year just imagine how far that is and that's only one lightyear we're talking many light years when we start to go out
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into the universe at the other end where because of computers we get frustrated if I push a button to bring up a 60-page document and it's it doesn't do it like that I get bugged and I think I need a faster [Applause] chip so this is all within the domain of ego time now once you move into the soul the soul has a different time span to it because and I I'm coming back again to um reincarnation which all we're accepting at the moment within this class is that there is a mystery but there is clearly something a larger
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context in which this life exists and the soul is the doorway to that and we exist in that larger context here the soul is still going through an unfolding of its karma so it is still working in time although the times now are vast in India for example they refer to yugas and culpas of time these are time units of like 400,000 years as opposed to what we talk about primarily in terms of recorded history 3 4,000 years and so in that case you are born through Cycles born in the SAT Yuga the Treet
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Yuga the dwart Yuga the kuga the four cycles of of time and then it all ends and then it starts all over again so this vast cycles and you and I have been doing this and doing this and doing this and doing this according to these models so and yet something's going on because the soul is working out its karma through all these incarnations and ultimately as we talked about before the Soul's yearning is to be merged back into the mother or the awareness or the one or the getting out of the boundary
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between itself and everything else so that it's all I ultimate so um the soul is working that out and that's in these vast time frames so from the Soul's point of view the E your whole life is very much like a blink of an eye from inside it it seems like it's am I going to go 60 years or 80 years but that's like those little flies around a light around noon you know that are boy they live about a day and they fly around lights and around noon they say well this is life you know and
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you're just watching it come and go you know and so you've got to get a sense of time frame I keep looking at my cat who's very vital and I keep saying you're an old cat you know the cat is 15 years old I keep multiplying it by something or other so what we have now is um um a clock here for the soul that runs in terms of yugas and culpas and reincarnation and Cosmic time it's a different clock and ultimately when we are here this contains time in other words a is beyond time so you are both not in time and you
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are in time when you identify with this you are not in time when you identify with either of these you are in time awareness versus soul and ego and they talk about gaining awareness is like snatching the pearl of awareness from the dragon time that's one of the mystical ways of talking about what a Awakening and Enlightenment is it's freeing your awareness from being entrapped within time time not that you don't use time but you're not used by it and in Awareness everything is within it so
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past and future all are now within awareness which is uh turns out the present moment you'll begin to feel how this all works how the image Works in a little while now developmentally um when you were born you didn't have a real sense of time I mean it was an All or Nothing response either or or you know it was just immediate and you were living in the moment fully and some of you never left that most of you however started to time bind you started to learn past and future which are really
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Concepts but you started to learn how to organize the universe in terms of time and um that would have been fine if it was all neutral but it started to get loaded because of all kinds of things like your endocrine system so that you wanted to get older faster I remember wanting my driver's license wanting to have private places to make out in um I wanted I couldn't wait to start on my career God [Applause] I mean I was I remember pushing grabbing at the future wanting to grow up so fast and uh wanting to get on with my
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career and wanting to get further and deeper and grabbing for the future and so at that time I really sacrificed a great deal of the present into the future I think most of us did that so you're at midlife now you are in a in a culture in which time is money hear the harshness of that but just think of what that means time is money it's what's known as a consumer economy it's a way of thinking about it time is your enemy now because if you could stret you could have more money and you can see how as you go from
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The Family Doctor Who hung out for a cup of tea to the health plan where you have five minutes and he has so many an hour or she has so many an hour you realize and with lawyers at so much an hour so much a word you get to the point where you are realizing what violence it is doing to the The rhythms of Life the human Spirit just to live in this culture I I uh spend a lot of time in New York City in Manhattan and I watch because I'm I'm living uh on the Upper East Side and uh around Fifth Avenue on
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Saturdays a lot of old people come out to walk they do it every day actually and uh they they come to a COR corner of a street and it is a totally traumatic experience because everything there is working by a certain time frame taxi drivers are moving as fast as they can because time is money and the whole thing is moving very fast and somebody is shuffling or walking slowly and you realize what violence it does to their spirit because they have remained in a subculture there that is obs obsessed
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with time and its relation to money and everybody's rushing or rushing to get more pleasure or rushing to more more is better it's part of the more is better world that this culture uh um has refined the art of now um it's the obvious thing that happens in aging is that the uh the length of the future gets reduced in relation to the Past you go from it's all in the future to it's in the future and in the past and then the future starts to come up against you as you run up to the demography and the you know
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the expectations life cycles and um because of the nature of the change in our lives as we age things slow down things slow down because of a lot of psychological reasons social reasons economic reasons all kinds of reasons and this slowing down is often seen as because you're still in the old model of efficiency like all many of those older people in that in New York City feel very disempowered by a traffic light because it isn't really responding to their needs they could live in a village and
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they could walk as slowly as they wanted to or at least in it's a little enough Village and the time frames because have moved faster and faster with obsolescence and so on I uh the image I love is the one of um um I think it was Oxford or Cambridge I don't think I told that story Ox Oxford or Cambridge University and the dining hall was this is this huge long dining hall and they had all these beams on the ceilings and the beams started to um uh got um started to rot or got some infestation and the trustees were very
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upset cuz these were such huge huge trees that had made up these vgas these beams and so uh they decided they were going to put in shorter trees and then they would just cut them so that they would fit together and appear to be one long tree and so they called in the head Gardener and asked him where they could find the appropriate trees for to get double trees he says oh no he said we have the trees for the whole thing he said 300 years ago they anticip ipated this and they planted a Grove of trees
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for these beams and it's ready [Applause] now I mean we our society just doesn't live much like that does it we didn't we weren't even here 300 years ago I mean it's like so um as the future gets shorter and it includes things like um illness incapacitation and death and the past gets longer and you can rewrite that any way you want to a lot of people start to live in the past as they get older because they don't want to think about the future so they're going going from
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having been future oriented and they shift from going future oriented to past oriented still not where if they were they would be free which is present do you hear I mean if you sit around I've gone to I used to have a a little um motor home and I would go and live in trailer parks in Arizona in the winter and there was there's a whole huge culture there of retired people people and if you listen to conversations a huge amount of it is about the past huge amount is about the past inordinately so um if we understand that
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um what we would like to do is in order to go from ego to soul is to one of the doorways through is to be in the present it was a tricky title called be here now several years ago I'm going to read you a few pages uh when I thought I would just write this book these were a few pages I wrote now it turned out I couldn't do that so I'm talking the book so this is a book we are you and I are between two covers at the moment we just don't know it but I'm trying to show you the inner
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experience of time just to start to understand what kind of work we want to do with ourselves I was coming to visit my Guru in India the British Airways 747 having moved me at 500 miles an hour from New York via Frankfurt now deposits me in the middle of the night at the Delhi Airport as I come out of the door of the plane and start to descend the stairs to the tarmac I begin to leave speed and efficiency behind the humid semi-tropical night has its own Rhythm just an aside I Rec recall once many years ago I had a that old 1938
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Buick that I talked about with the state trooper and uh I was driving across in at the in the Great Salt Lake Desert it stopped in the middle of the night I mean it was 1938 year old car and um so we were inside talking and listening to music and all that was the world we were living in going to Las Vegas or wherever and suddenly everything was silent as only in Death Valley it can get in the middle of the night and so I had to get out and thumb to go get some help cuz I knew that the battery was
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dead and the car wasn't going any anywhere and uh so I got out and suddenly I went from the inner chamber of this car which had a certain dimension of time and movement in it to being outside and in the vastness of this universe and I stood there just complet because usually you'll just be busy where's a car coming and you'll stay in your mind but if you just go out into that time and then a truck came along a big Diesel and picked me up Suddenly I was back in the other time world and I
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remember being aware of the when I got outside it was thank you for letting me break down do you hear how and it took just that little bit of time before damn it to thank you once inside the terminal the motly line of imares stand in line to see the Customs agent the line is long it is is 3:30 in the morning Delhi time the passengers their fatigue compounded by the confusion of their bodies between their home time the time and the place where they boarded the plane in Delhi time the line is moving so slowly as to
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be not moving at all these westerners so used to their money buying efficiency are tired frustrated and angry certainly we Grumble the country could have more agents could welcome us in a speedier manner we are a line of malcontents I am one of them the first few times to India but finally I come to understand India is once again taking me through a rebirth experience and for that to happen my judging mind based on efficiency Must Die to hold on to who I was but a moment ago is the cause of such obvious suffering look at all these
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people I need only look about me in the Customs line to ascertain how suffering arises from a mind that is unwilling to surrender into the new moment the moment the Customs agent lives in for the next step in this Odyssey of my journey to my Guru who I've come to see a few hours later I am aboard a train Bound for arra with a stop at Matra will are where I will disembark traveling by train in India is full of Rich lessons the trains go really slowly as a Wester very early I went through my impatience it didn't
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help a bit after I gave up my impatience each time I'd settle into eternality this trip is going to go on forever all my life I've been on this train and I will always be on this train so what one eventuality is that I become entranced with images as they appear through the window a young woman in the field we are passing she wears a colorful sari and walks along a path in the field in another of those middle of nowhere places a large clay jug balanced on her head her undulating gate allowing
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her head to be still as she walks she is close enough for me to see her eyes traditionally underlined with coal eyes Shadow a hibiscus flower we worn behind her ear her many silver bracelets on each arm like an image in a Goan painting uh in an action that will never end our minds must Supply what went a moment before and what will transpire in the next moment as we enter into the feeling of the painting these past and future are present not in so many facts but in a sense of the Rhythm of Life and
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of death so with this woman in the field whose Pace compared to my slowly speeding train which covers Us with fun fine Ash as it moves so purposely forward is slower still I see that the path stretches behind and ahead of her for what appears to be an endless distance her life which appears for less than 30 seconds on my mind eye screen has its own slow repetitive Rhythm that both retracts and repels me it repels that part of me that wants a stimulating life in which something is always happening it attracts that part of me
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that yearns to slow down enough to enter The rhythms of Earth and Sky the seasonal cycles of planting and harvesting crops of the coming and going of generations at the Matra train station I am accosted by Rickshaw wallers uh people that ride Rickshaw as itself offering to take me the next six miles of my journey to vindon in their bicycle Rickshaw then there are the motorcycle Rickshaw where their loud and noxious engines that carry six or eight people in the flatbed cab attached to the motorcycle cheap and uncomfortable but a
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form of transportation that will give me the feeling that I am hastening towards my destination if I want to spend several more dollars there are a few Ambassador automobile taxi that will whisk me not only quickly but relatively quietly to maharaji I choose none of these something in me year ears to taste of the time of that woman walking through the field if even for a moment and I know that if I am to be ready for meeting maharaji I need to slow down much more otherwise my rushing mind will try
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to turn him into just another bit of ill digested experience to add to my collection is this coming through all right so I settle onto the back floor of a water buffalo drawn Tonga water buffalos go very slowly and it's a cart behind a water buffalo when I drove in India if you are as far as you can see in a straight line on the Grand highway you see a water buffalo in the middle you Blow Your Horn when you can just make it out and by the time you get there the Buffalo will have moved off the street it's
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just the trip which in the taxi would have taken just a few minutes at most will now take well over an hour I reached the ashram with my offering of flowers and fruits and then I am in front of maharaji yet another dying is called for the dying of doing into being I am placing my offerings before him bowing smiling being welcomed and finally sitting on the ground among the other people who have come F Daran to visit with him and then nothing seems to be happening we are all just here I feel once again the Wisps of
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impatience drifting around in my mind I have come all this way and nothing is happening I listen to what is being talked about to glean a teaching but it all seems trivial when I am finally quiet enough to just look at maharaji there is a new dimension he fills time and the dimension of then and now of coming and going no longer is the template for measuring experience no longer am I in my mind somebody who has just come from America or we'll soon go on endlessly seeking something for a moment the moment is all there
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is and it's enough it's enough I am no longer caught in the thinking mind that makes me separate from the moment I am part of the moment we are the figure in the Goan painting the young woman walking in the field the past and the future Not absent but rather melded into this moment this moment rich with meaning this moment enough after a few minutes maharaji says to me Jia get [Applause] lost and I'm banished to the back of the temple a cup of tea is brought to me the strong sweet milk tea is in a clay cup
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later after I have finished my tea I will throw the cup against a wall the cup will shatter and then in the course of being trampled by cows and rained upon it will once again become part of the Earth from which it was molded maharaji said to somebody once why are you so prideful we're all made of clay my body made as it is out of water and Clay is already broken dead so now how sweet it tastes that's the monk with the cup the beautiful Crystal goblet and his student says how can you use that did I tell you how can you use
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this goblet it's so precious he said in my mind's eye is already broken and then I can really appreciate it each day in your mind's eye are you already dead comes a really interesting question thank you for now many people come to India if you take see people go on tours of India in big buses you will see people who hold on to efficiency and Western time all the way through India and then are horrified by what they call what in India would be called the tomasic quality of India the quality of India where nothing seems to
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be happening you can't get anything done you just can't get it done they just don't know how to live they're like God they are so lazy or something's wrong with [Applause] them do you hear this do you hear the issue I mean this a whole culture because in traditional cultures time means something entirely different than in the culture we're living in somebody once said the only way the only hope for the world around time is to be constantly drenched by that which is beyond
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time and it was just that quality of being with maharaji when I was with who knows who he was that's his problem my experience was that when I was with him I was meeting a being who was not in time whose primary identity wasn't in time and yet his body was in time and we were meeting in time and very often he'd look at me in a certain way and I would get the feeling that like those car deck of cards you flash and they show pictures moving well play with those um he was flashing through my
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incarnations and then sometimes he just get so far out he would kind of lose where he was or who he was with and he'd look at me and he'd say did you know Lincoln [Music] and we'd all go now Mar H you of course 1860 he just go like that you know see we kept wanting to make this real and he was coming back in here and we couldn't meet him you know he called me sumat Guru ramas once for two weeks he called me that I had no idea who that was it turned out it was the guru to King she Shiva in
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1600 so you're not you're getting a real thing today with me here so to come into that to the moment you begin to feel like when you're deeply involved in gardening for example and you're just in the moment of what you're doing and think of all the things you have in your life that are so compelling that they draw you into the moment it's not like you forget all your responsibilities they're all in order but you are the focus is right in what you're doing not in what you did or what
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you will do and in that moment there is no time in a moment there is no time it's the moments strung together that give you and that's the thing the Mind does but each moment has itself is beyond time so if you hear where you're going with this you understand that one of the practices to move from ego to soul is to change your relationship to time change where you are sitting in relationship to time now in order to get free of time to be in time in other words I have a watch and I have a
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calendar book and schedules and all that the question is am I living in that or as Christ said am I in the world but not of the world am I outside of time but using time but my basic identity is not in time in order to come into that with the methods are getting in some way working with things of the past and working with things of the future to infold them back into the present moment more and more fully so you are more fully in the present not denying the past of the future and then you will experience this where past and
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future are all among present which is this in one of the most advanced practices I'm doing now in uh Tibetan Buddhism one of the phrases that we work with and I may have said it to you already but let me say it again is it's a feline stanza and it says prolong not the past invite not the future alter not your innate wakefulness don't fear appearances there's nothing more than that that's the five lines I like the last one there's nothing more than that so we we're going to look at the issue
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of don't prolong the past and don't invite the future because we have to understand what that really means that's a very profound teaching just those two lines don't prolong the past don't invite the future uh many of you I take it have read cator or some of that the original books of uh Don Juan series and Don Juan at one point says I can't even paraphrase it he says a man of knowledge has no personal history no country no name no family no place he goes on about how a person like
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that acts but what he is saying is let go of personal history now let go doesn't mean deny in 1979 I was in um soel living in soel and uh I had just moved about five times in the past few years because I am a Wanderer and uh it got so I was collecting memorabilia and I had bought boxes of memorabilia I mean all love letters all important historical documents um old thises and that whatever they were old license plates whatever stuff stuff that I couldn't bear to give away and here I was a Wanderer now in
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this in the Indian tradition of wandering my Guru had he was called as you know at one stage cracked pot Baba cuz somewhere in this long life he went around naked with a piece of cracked pot on his head which he'd pick up a broken pot and he'd beg with it and he'd use water with it and that's it and then when it broke he'd pick up another one and that's that's minimal that's minimal living all right and he slept under uh roads with uh decoit with thieves and uh that's the world he lived
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in and um so I can't imitate him obviously but what happens is every time I move around since maharaji saids you should not stay in one place too long because yogis and water both go bad if they stay in one place too long and that's a certain kind of Yogi that's not everybody that's not householders so I kept moving and I got to the point where I had a um you know a rent a hue hul behind me that it was just full of these boxes now I never opened the boxes I labeled what was in them and
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sealed them and put them up there and I at some point I thought after about the fourth move in the year you know with these renting and boxing and lifting and hurting my back and all I thought what is this about why am I saving all of this stuff and I realized that I was saving it under the illusion that later I wasn't looking at it now but later I would miss it you know and I would want to see it again basically I I saw that I was anticipating that later I'd be bored with life that life CU now life was so
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exciting who had time to look at pictures of the Grand Canyon for God's sakes I was busy getting the newspaper I was having my tea I was looking at the robins what the you know how am I going to open boxes of memorabilia do you remember the time we were and so I thought this is absurd I'm not going to run out of stuff no and I could risk it you know I couldn't imagine it because what I noticed in Burma when I was in that room in meditation for two months was that the the simpler it all got the more
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Rich once I got over the concept of boredom the more Rich the moment was with hardly anything no books no papers no pictures no nothing because our inner universe is so incredibly it's all that at least everything you have a memory of you have it's it's who you are part of who you are so I decided to throw them all out about the middle of the night the next morning I found myself out at the garbage pales having remembered when I couldn't possibly know not see again you know oh God I will never see that person's face
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again so I decided I got to burn them I can't just put him in the garbage pil so we had a fire in the fireplace and I'd say goodbye to each thing and I'd put it in the fireplace and burned it and I was feeling radical I was feeling irresponsible I was frighten that I was going to be terribly grieving later for these things and uh there were things that I still when I went to throw away I said no I still need this so I didn't throw it away but most of the things were being clung to in the anticipation that I
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would need them some other time but I don't need them now and those went now it is uh 15 years later my basement is full of boxes again so by the time this book comes out they there'll be another burning this podcast is brought to you by the love serve remember foundation and
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these years thank you oh
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